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masterbeef · Nov 28, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

To view a full list of graduates (those that have completed thirsty and droks) go to www.lbsra.net scroll down and click "view forum leaders" there is what i hope is an accurrate, fairly up to date list.

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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well that answers some questions but i have more now

Sure, I'd be happy to field as many as you have.

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if i do run into a lbs runner who is not graduated and they are charging the full lbs fee for a mission, should they be allowed to do so since this is clearly in violation of your academys policy of firstly not advertising as a graduate and seondly even as a student is it acceptable to be charging the full fee if your not qualified

Any person can charge whatever they want for any type of service in game, whether they are a student, graduate, or not even affiliated with LBS. However, any LBS tagged player who is advertising as a certified runner without being a graduate is in violation of their policy and should be brought to immediate attention. Now a student runner who runs someone and then advertises LBSRA is not at fault, only if they attempt to pass themselves off as LBS Certified runners to get a job are they in violation of the Academy policy. There is nothing wrong with noting that they are affiliated with the Academy. All graduates will be given an LBS Customized Forgerunner, if your runner cannot produce this as evidence of graduation, please screen shot the occurence and submit it to their forums.

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also i would like to know exactly how many graduates your academy has produced since its conception and how many there curently are operating within your group, i dont feel this is something that should be concealed if your academy is so dignified and honorable its a simple question to answer and if the answer will seem suspicous then thats something everyone should be aware of when they enroll or buy a run becuase if FOR EXAMPLE you have only 5 graduates and i have recently asked a student who tells me your group has about 80 members then we all can see that it is a minority of ppl recieving benifit fromt this training and that any one other then graduates is clearly a waste of your time and money and that graduates themselves are simply using this academy as venue to gain income for themselves only

As far as I am aware, the Academy guild [LBS] currently has 10-15 graduated members. I am unsure how many graduates are NOT part of the Academy guild [LBS] as many people who enter the academy use what they've learned to start their own services. I would say of the people that are regularly active in the guild that maybe 40% of them are graduates.

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i think this is a fair question to ask

Yes, it's a fair question, I hope my answer is suitable.

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and yes lbs you really should update your graduates list becuase with 80 ppl advertising lbs certified there is obviously something extremly suspicious about your affairs

I doubt it's 80 people, mostly because at best there's only 15-20 of them online at a time. They cannot police everything that goes on in the game, but if something is brought to their attention, it will be dealt with.

Thank you, and I hope this answers your questions.

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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this is cearly miss reprezentation of your academy and i dont think you are discourging it if your allowing students to charge more then a certified runner, so i doubt you are even discouraging them from advertising thier enrolment in lbs becuase its clear they are flgrantly spaming your name and not recieving and other trainign then that. your school seems to lake any sort of grasp over an actual standard of service or realistic earnings for students you guys are just spaming lbs is great willy nilly you dont care who says it and you dont even care of the standard of performance your students are producing good luck convincing ppl now that you guys are capable of doing anything this is disrespect to your customers and to your name if lbs even cared and i doubt she does she would have put a stop to this long ago but with every action and answer i recieve from you guys its more and more clear that you are lbs UNCERTIFIED TO PLAY GUILD WARS

Calm down, calm down. You have got yourself all worked up over a game and as a result your spelling has fell apart. Those doing what you assume happens should not do it (if they are) and would be dealt with if there was any actual proof. I suggest spend all your time on Guild Wars tracking those offenders down and screenshot them as you will be helping in bringing those naughty naughty individuals to LBS's attention

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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whats a LBS Customized Forgerunner? are you tlaking about the green bow? cuz i can buy that and start claiming all sorts of things

also i dont see how its going to be recognizable for the average client to know who is a graduate is they say lbs certified or lbsra to me it sounds like the same thing

and i dont see how lbsra and certified can charge the same rate that really is extremly suspicous what if i payed the same amount to certified and he did the run 3 times as fast why should i pay the same amount for defective goods? you guys need to establish a more realistic rate between the two if you guys consider yourselves a serious service

and i will very much enjoy submitting screen shots to you directly of the many violaters you have

and unfourtantly my spelling is useually this bad i stumble when i type often and im too lazy to spell check

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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whats a LBS Customized Forgerunner? are you tlaking about the green bow? cuz i can buy that and start claiming all sorts of things

Lady Blue Steel customizes it so you cannot make any claims through buying one. Hope that answers your question

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also i dont see how its going to be recognizable for the average client to know who is a graduate is they say lbs certified or lbsra to me it sounds like the same thing

If they dont know of LBSRA then they are hiring you as a random runner. However, if they know of LBSRA they should know of graduates and non-graduates and should point them towards www.lbsra.net for more info on whther you have graduated.

Savio · Nov 28, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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how is that acceptable or even economicaly sound thats liek paying 500,000 for a ferrari and then tell me that its ok to pay 500,000 for a ford pinto

this is cearly miss reprezentation of your academy and i dont think you are discourging it if your allowing students to charge more then a certified runner, so i doubt you are even discouraging them from advertising thier enrolment in lbs becuase its clear they are flgrantly spaming your name and not recieving and other trainign then that. your school seems to lake any sort of grasp over an actual standard of service or realistic earnings for students you guys are just spaming lbs is great willy nilly you dont care who says it and you dont even care of the standard of performance your students are producing good luck convincing ppl now that you guys are capable of doing anything this is disrespect to your customers and to your name if lbs even cared and i doubt she does she would have put a stop to this long ago but with every action and answer i recieve from you guys its more and more clear that you are lbs UNCERTIFIED TO PLAY GUILD WARS

you still have not answer how many graduates your school has produced and how many are still active with your ranks or is answering this going to cause you further embaressment?

If I see any more posts like this (flames, no punctuation/sentences, more flames, mass spelling errors, more importantly flames) then I'm deleting without warning. You can disagree with the Academy all you want, just do it calmly and politely.

As for the rest of you, it's hard to delete a post when you quote it several times, so just report it then ignore it.

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Your english could use a little work, but I'll quote what I'm reading your post as to address your concerns, please tell me if I'm making a mistake.

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how is that acceptable or even economicaly sound thats like paying 500,000 for a ferrari and then tell me that its ok to pay 500,000 for a ford pinto

No it's not, because you don't have to pay anyone anything at anytime. That doesn't mean they can't advertise whatever outrageous price they want. I still see people in Lion's Arch d1 advertising +30 HP Staff Wrappings for 95k.

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this is clearly misrepresentation of your academy and i dont think you are discouraging it if your allowing students to charge more then a certified runner, so i doubt you are even discouraging them from advertising their enrolment in lbs because it's clear they are flagrantly spamming your name and not receiving any other training then that. your school seems to lack any sort of grasp over an actual standard of service or realistic earnings for students you guys are just spamming lbs is great willy nilly you dont care who says it and you dont even care of the standard of performance your students are producing good luck convincing ppl now that you guys are capable of doing anything this is disrespect to your customers and to your name if lbs even cared and i doubt she does she would have put a stop to this long ago but with every action and answer i recieve from you guys its more and more clear that you are lbs UNCERTIFIED TO PLAY GUILD WARS

Read my posts again please. Even NON-LBS players can charge whatever they want. This was a big thing for me when I was considering joining. I had to make sure I didn't have to adhere to their prices. I customarily like running for free and I prefer not to take money from those who can't afford it.

However, you must understand this, LBS customers are those who post on LBS forums. Things in game are not in anyway dealt with the LBS organization. They are dealt between an individual runner, whether he/she is LBS certified or not, and his/her customer. They cannot supervise every single district of every running outpost to see who's advertising what. However, if you bring it to their attention, it will be dealt with.

It doesn't get simpler than that, I can't float between all the districts of all the outposts in GW trying to figure out who's claiming to be an LBS certified runner, however, I can look at a screenshot submitted to me of someone doing exactly that.

I think you need to understand the distinction between what LBS is and what LBS members are.

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you still have not answer how many graduates your school has produced and how many are still active with your ranks or is answering this going to cause you further embaressment?

I already answered this.

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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As for the rest of you, it's hard to delete a post when you quote it several times, so just report it then ignore it.

Good idea, I tried ignoring them but everyone quoted them so my plan went out the window. Ignoring the trolls is a good idea and from this moment on I will ignore everything said. Accept honest polite questions and not mindless abuse.

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Man you're quick.

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whats a LBS Customized Forgerunner? are you tlaking about the green bow? cuz i can buy that and start claiming all sorts of things

It will say 'customized by Lady Blue Steel' which you cannot get unless you have a character named Lady Blue Steel.

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also i dont see how its going to be recognizable for the average client to know who is a graduate is they say lbs certified or lbsra to me it sounds like the same thing

There's no client unless they read this thread or LBS forums. If they read either source, they'll know what to ask for.

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and i dont see how lbsra and certified can charge the same rate that really is extremly suspicous what if i payed the same amount to certified and he did the run 3 times as fast why should i pay the same amount for defective goods? you guys need to establish a more realistic rate between the two if you guys consider yourselves a serious service

You don't have to pay anyone anything. I'm sorry I missed that before you posted this. People CHARGE things, doesn't mean people PAY for them. I think your capable of making your own decisions when it comes to how much you want to pay someone. Doesn't mean you can control what they decide to charge for it.

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and i will very much enjoy submitting screen shots to you directly of the many violaters you have

We look forward to it, thank you for helping make the Academy a better place.

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and unfourtantly my spelling is useually this bad i stumble when i type often and im too lazy to spell check

Well, that makes it slightly hard for people to understand you or take you seriously.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

to everyone: well if i didnt have to ask the same question four times ot get a proper answer i would be more polite and it wouldnt look so much like a flame
you can blame them as much as me for flaming

to the admin: bad spelling is not grounds for deleting a post just bear with it otherwise youll go bald ^^

well this pretty much answers my question all except one which im waiting on

and thats

how many graduates total since lbs was formed?

and how many students since it was formed?

this is fair i think ppl would want to know your pass/fail ratio

dreamx: i just happen to be online at school and im bored

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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to everyone: well if i didnt have to ask the same question four times ot get a proper answer i would be more polite and it wouldnt look so much like a flame

I am sorry I was unable to help sooner. Glad it was not mindless abuse just an anoyed person asking questions.

It is hard to say since some people did not join the guild or forum so keeping track is difficult. My figures are not 100% correct as I am not playing till late January but were correct a few weeks ago. There is a list of students and graduates at that should help

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how many graduates total since lbs was formed?

15 ish

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and how many students since it was formed?

30 ish in guild i think, maybe more of each now

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to the admin: bad spelling is not grounds for deleting a post just bear with it otherwise youll go bald ^^

lol

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this is fair i think ppl would want to know your pass/fail ratio

I am not sure what you mean by this could you elaborate please e.g. pass graduation or make runs etc.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

ok we all know not everyone stays in lbs as lbs herself indicates ppls desires to learn and start up thier own business

so if you have a full or at least part regeistery of how many students you have had since lbs started teaching

and how many graduates she has produced this includes officers training and promoting to graduate ( i know shes not superwoman no one can teach everyone )

so for example 15/40 as u say is a 37.5% passing rate this basically shows perspective students thier chances of actually waking away wiht a deploma hwo rigerous the school is and also it reflects how good the teachers are simple enough to know and ask

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 05:56 PM // 17:56

*curiously, may I ask how you came up with the figure 15/40? I might've missed something.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

someone said 15 graduates 40 students i mean i think he was talking about curently which is why i said its an example and it be better if u had the history of graduates and students so then youd get a more realistic figure just scroll up and see who said it ( im not relying on a single thread for the number of students ive heard u have more so im being generous by using a higher ratio ^^)

im gonna quote a line form my favorite comic transmetropolitan cuz i feel like it

"now! to stop this terrible crime!

what are you writing?

im tellingthem that its--

WRONG!

is that?

yes channon..

its the TRUTH!"

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Well, Students doesn't = Drop outs.

Just because there's 40 students or so doesn't mean that none of them are ever going to graduate, so your figure's a little bit off.

I'm a student, but I'm qualified to graduate, I've done both of the graduation requests multiple times on my own and just require validation from an officer.

So yea... graduates/students is not a definative statistic to draw conclusions from.

Blue Steel · Nov 28, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Without going back and checking all my records, I think there have been about 15 graduates and about 50 or 60 students. It is not hard to graduate if you want to graduate, practice, and utilize all the resources available to you. Some people are not particularly concerned about graduating. They would rather just be in the Academy and do their own thing. If you set your mind to getting graduation certification, we will do everything we reasonably can to help you get there.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 06:09 PM // 18:09

well then whats the point this is like half your problem right there by not graduating you cant delinate between a good runner and a runner in training becuase thier charging the same thing be honest most ppl dont know this much about your polcies if they know enough that your a qualified guild then thats all they care so by not creating a clear distinction your indirectly harming your image (which is pretty much what half your operation is based around) so your harming your own business

escentially its not good to not graduate you bring down the class average!

as a teacher you should be concern

this is where you lack the most i know its hard but thats where u need to be at if you want to expand your clientel you need your graduates montiering your students if you want to be a school otherwise you should just work on a 1 on 1 basis because its doesnt seem like most ppl arent learning drop outs are still failing grades its liek that in any real life school

capitalist · Nov 28, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

All questions have been answered somewhere in the 20+ pages of this thread. If they have not been answered, feel free to ask them in a polite, non-combative manner, and we will answer them. Otherwise, I think we should stop the feeding.

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I feel I should answer this as it hasnt been answered.

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so for example 15/40 as u say is a 37.5% passing rate this basically shows perspective students thier chances of actually waking away wiht a deploma hwo rigerous the school is and also it reflects how good the teachers are simple enough to know and ask

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Some people are not particularly concerned about graduating. They would rather just be in the Academy and do their own thing. If you set your mind to getting graduation certification, we will do everything we reasonably can to help you get there.

Well I have been able to make drok runs for ages, I just have not felt like taking the test. Alot of the other students can make them as I have been with them when they have run my other characters. I know from 1st hand experience some are amazing but just havnt taken the test. When I return I plan on taking both tests in order to graduate and start running properly. New members are always offered help with any runs from existing members. I feel the guild has made it even better as you are able to get help and advice from other members. I joined before there was even a guild and was happy with just the manuals now it is amazingly good and well worth it. Last post unless another new question appears..

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Properly opposed to improperly right Herb:P?